Are wild animals more freer than humans?

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08-14-2018, 03:17 AM
Shana

Are wild animals more freer than humans?

Free will is a concept that does NOT exist in my opinion, for we are all puppets trying please someone in our society. Evry decision we take is manipulated and depends on the people around us, so we do not have free will. We just think that we do, that's all.

But, if freedom means that you get to do whatever you wish to do, do you think wild animals are much freer than us, humans?
Are we just kidding ourselves as the freest civilized animal? or the wild ones have achieved freedom a lot before us?
08-14-2018, 07:42 AM
Karikaalan

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Originally Posted by Shana

Free will is a concept that does NOT exist in my opinion, for we are all puppets trying please someone in our society. Evry decision we take is manipulated and depends on the people around us, so we do not have free will. We just think that we do, that's all.

But, if freedom means that you get to do whatever you wish to do, do you think wild animals are much freer than us, humans?
Are we just kidding ourselves as the freest civilized animal? or the wild ones have achieved freedom a lot before us?

We were free when we were wild animals. After getting socialised , we have responsibilities and duties . But don't you think that sacrifying something for family and friends is a good thing. Because only humans can get this much of love affection from others.
08-14-2018, 09:57 AM
Moana

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Originally Posted by Shana

Free will is a concept that does NOT exist in my opinion, for we are all puppets trying please someone in our society. Evry decision we take is manipulated and depends on the people around us, so we do not have free will. We just think that we do, that's all.

But, if freedom means that you get to do whatever you wish to do, do you think wild animals are much freer than us, humans?
Are we just kidding ourselves as the freest civilized animal? or the wild ones have achieved freedom a lot before us?

Animals could be free but still restrained within their confined environment to some extent. While humans are also free depending on what area you are actually debating on. Humans could free in all ramifications but not free minded, i still call that freedom.
08-18-2018, 04:29 PM
Bhavya

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Originally Posted by Karikaalan

We were free when we were wild animals. After getting socialised , we have responsibilities and duties . But don't you think that sacrifying something for family and friends is a good thing. Because only humans can get this much of love affection from others.

Totally Agree with you by sacrificing our freedom we got the affection and love from our dear one which is priceless.
08-18-2018, 09:59 PM
Wondergirl

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shana

Free will is a concept that does NOT exist in my opinion, for we are all puppets trying please someone in our society. Evry decision we take is manipulated and depends on the people around us, so we do not have free will. We just think that we do, that's all.

But, if freedom means that you get to do whatever you wish to do, do you think wild animals are much freer than us, humans?
Are we just kidding ourselves as the freest civilized animal? or the wild ones have achieved freedom a lot before us?

Hi all,

Other living beings live freer than the human beings.
because Human beings only have to
Earn money/wage
Do duties
Have responsibility
Pay rents
Achieve goals
etc.. but other living beings haven't anything like this.
08-19-2018, 11:29 PM
Shana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karikaalan

We were free when we were wild animals. After getting socialized , we have responsibilities and duties . But don't you think that sacrificing something for family and friends is a good thing. Because only humans can get this much of love affection from others.

Of course, we have the understanding to give and take love. But haven't you ever felt trapped by those emotional entanglements?
Would you rather sacrifice and feel regret or enjoy complete freedom where no one expects anything from you?
08-20-2018, 01:29 PM
Moana

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shana

Free will is a concept that does NOT exist in my opinion, for we are all puppets trying please someone in our society. Evry decision we take is manipulated and depends on the people around us, so we do not have free will. We just think that we do, that's all.

But, if freedom means that you get to do whatever you wish to do, do you think wild animals are much freer than us, humans?
Are we just kidding ourselves as the freest civilized animal? or the wild ones have achieved freedom a lot before us?

In the wild, deer have to fight off wolves, and wolves have to be able to find and kill deer or other animals.

In domesticity, cattle have to eat what they're provided and will die when the farmer feels it should happen.

Living as a human requires we follow the rules of society (as is also true of some other species, from bees to elephants). That causes us to lose some freedoms, but overall makes our lives better.
09-20-2019, 12:28 PM
Bhavya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shana

Free will is a concept that does NOT exist in my opinion, for we are all puppets trying please someone in our society. Evry decision we take is manipulated and depends on the people around us, so we do not have free will. We just think that we do, that's all.

But, if freedom means that you get to do whatever you wish to do, do you think wild animals are much freer than us, humans?
Are we just kidding ourselves as the freest civilized animal? or the wild ones have achieved freedom a lot before us?

Of course wild animals achieved much more freedom than us humans, we have so much obligations,restrictions and commitments in our lives so we can't do everything we wish to do in our life. but these obligations,restrictions and commitments are the things that make our humans lives more pleasant and beautiful.
09-20-2019, 12:29 PM
Bhavya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Hi all,

Other living beings live freer than the human beings.
because Human beings only have to
Earn money/wage
Do duties
Have responsibility
Pay rents
Achieve goals
etc.. but other living beings haven't anything like this.

Haha, In your answer you have summed up the whole human life. Couldn't agree more.
09-20-2019, 12:34 PM
Bhavya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shana

Of course, we have the understanding to give and take love. But haven't you ever felt trapped by those emotional entanglements?
Would you rather sacrifice and feel regret or enjoy complete freedom where no one expects anything from you?

To be honest I want to enjoy complete freedom where no one expects anything from me, but it's not possible in our human life we are bounded to so many things and people in our lives have different expectations from us.
09-20-2019, 12:39 PM
Bhavya

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Originally Posted by Moana

In the wild, deer have to fight off wolves, and wolves have to be able to find and kill deer or other animals.

In domesticity, cattle have to eat what they're provided and will die when the farmer feels it should happen.

Living as a human requires we follow the rules of society (as is also true of some other species, from bees to elephants). That causes us to lose some freedoms, but overall makes our lives better.

Yeah Wild animals also have their struggles and challenges for living but we humans not only struggling for life,we are also struggling to fulfill our obligations, commitments and the exceptions others have from us so these things lessen our freedom more than the freedom of wild animals.